October 19, 2004

 

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Living as a Christian – Theology & Science

[19/Oct/2004:22:05:28] <Father Phillip> hey
[19/Oct/2004:22:05:32] <Father Phillip> ryanml: hello
[19/Oct/2004:22:05:44] <Father Phillip> what can i do for you?
[19/Oct/2004:22:06:11] <Father Phillip> ryanml: looks like im the olny one here is there ever more than one person that comes to get ansers
[19/Oct/2004:22:06:39] <Father Phillip> sometimes, yes...but even when there are more than one person, only the moderator's name shows on the sidebar
[19/Oct/2004:22:07:01] <Father Phillip> ryanml: ok if religion and science will never contradict each other
[19/Oct/2004:22:07:07] <Father Phillip> keep going, please
[19/Oct/2004:22:08:43] <Father Phillip> ryanml: with health therapies like chakra balancing which is all energy based it is said that you can develop psychic abilities through a medical practise
[19/Oct/2004:22:08:55] <Father Phillip> ok...and?

Living as a Christian – Occult – Psychics

[19/Oct/2004:22:09:49] <Father Phillip> ryanml: then does the church say consulting a psychic is a sin why would god give us that ability to use psychic energy and not use it
[19/Oct/2004:22:10:06] <Father Phillip> hummm....good question
[19/Oct/2004:22:10:48] <Father Phillip> i guess the Church wants us to be very careful when we are involved in the world of spirit
[19/Oct/2004:22:11:16] <Father Phillip> the Church knows and teaches that spirits -- like angels and the devil -- truly exist
[19/Oct/2004:22:11:35] <Father Phillip> and the Church knows that those spirits are very powerful
[19/Oct/2004:22:11:56] <Father Phillip> so the Church warns us not to get mixed-up with people or things that might lead us in the wrong way
[19/Oct/2004:22:12:03] <Father Phillip> that might lead us into temptation
[19/Oct/2004:22:12:25] <Father Phillip> however
[19/Oct/2004:22:12:42] <Father Phillip> i think the Church does want us to develop every aspect of the gifts God gave us
[19/Oct/2004:22:12:53] <Father Phillip> including the gifts of the spirit
[19/Oct/2004:22:12:57] <Father Phillip> BUT
[19/Oct/2004:22:13:16] <Father Phillip> the Church wants us to develop those gifts in ways and with persons who are sure to lead us to God
[19/Oct/2004:22:13:19] <Father Phillip> ryanml: the supernatural fascinates me
[19/Oct/2004:22:13:23] <Father Phillip> yes, i can tell
[19/Oct/2004:22:15:25] <Father Phillip> ryanml: gone to a catholic school my whole life however olny throughout the past year have i become closer to god and started to live accordingly to my faith
[19/Oct/2004:22:15:36] <Father Phillip> that's wonderful!
[19/Oct/2004:22:15:46] <Father Phillip> clearly the Holy Spirit is leading you and directing you
[19/Oct/2004:22:15:47] <Father Phillip> AND
[19/Oct/2004:22:15:58] <Father Phillip> you are open to the Spirit and responding to God's direction
[19/Oct/2004:22:16:58] <Father Phillip> ryanml: i want to go to world youth day
[19/Oct/2004:22:17:04] <Father Phillip> cool
[19/Oct/2004:22:17:14] <Father Phillip> are you involved in a parish or campus ministry center?
[19/Oct/2004:22:18:29] <Father Phillip> ryanml: i live in surrey close to vancouver i go to several parishes not just one Our lady of good counsil, immaculate conception stmatthews
[19/Oct/2004:22:18:36] <Father Phillip> very cool
[19/Oct/2004:22:18:40] <Father Phillip> i was just in vancouver
[19/Oct/2004:22:18:43] <Father Phillip> lovely city
[19/Oct/2004:22:18:50] <Father Phillip> may i ask how old you are?
[19/Oct/2004:22:19:52] <Father Phillip> ryanml: i just turned 25 my birthday is sep 26 3 days before the feast day of the archangels michael raphael
[19/Oct/2004:22:19:58] <Father Phillip> happy birthday -- belatedly!
[19/Oct/2004:22:20:53] <Father Phillip> i would suggest that you make an appointment to talk with your pastor and ask him about the possibility of you going to world youth day -- perhaps the parish can help you do that
[19/Oct/2004:22:20:58] <Father Phillip> ryanml: where are you a priest at
[19/Oct/2004:22:21:13] <Father Phillip> i'm the campus minister at the university of north carolina at chapel hill (usa)

Living as a Christian – Drugs & Alcohol

[19/Oct/2004:22:21:22] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: Father Phil, how are you doing? Can you answer one of my questions?
[19/Oct/2004:22:21:24] <Father Phillip> hey
[19/Oct/2004:22:21:32] <Father Phillip> i'm doing fine -- thank Goodness!
[19/Oct/2004:22:21:41] <Father Phillip> certainly, i'll try to answer a question: shoot
[19/Oct/2004:22:22:21] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: haha, glad to hear that. is smoking marijuana inherently sinful?
[19/Oct/2004:22:22:24] <Father Phillip> probably not
[19/Oct/2004:22:22:42] <Father Phillip> it's not any worse from a moral point of view than having a drink of alcohol
[19/Oct/2004:22:22:46] <Father Phillip> it's illegal
[19/Oct/2004:22:22:55] <Father Phillip> and we certainly have an obligation to uphold just laws
[19/Oct/2004:22:23:20] <Father Phillip> but i can't honestly say that the Church's teaching would make me conclude that smoking pot is "inherently sinful"
[19/Oct/2004:22:23:31] <Father Phillip> it could cause us to act in sinful ways
[19/Oct/2004:22:23:35] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: does that mean that i shouldnt drink if im under 21?
[19/Oct/2004:22:23:47] <Father Phillip> that's also an interesting question
[19/Oct/2004:22:24:12] <Father Phillip> i guess i'd say that nobody should ever drink and drive -- period, at any age or under any circumstance
[19/Oct/2004:22:24:31] <Father Phillip> but i can't honestly tell you that i think drinking alcohol is inherently sinful
[19/Oct/2004:22:24:36] <Father Phillip> Jesus did it, after all :-)
[19/Oct/2004:22:24:41] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: i would definitely agree with that
[19/Oct/2004:22:24:46] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: yeah. it's such a part of the college scene that it's hard to avoid, but that doesnt make it right necessarily
[19/Oct/2004:22:25:05] <Father Phillip> you're right that just because lots of people do "it", "it" isn't, thereby, right
[19/Oct/2004:22:25:15] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: haha, true. sorry, the posts are coming in at the wrong time
[19/Oct/2004:22:25:32] <Father Phillip> no, the posts are coming in fine -- i decide when to post them and in what order
[19/Oct/2004:22:25:42] <Father Phillip> ryanml: how come my typing isnt showing up
[19/Oct/2004:22:26:00] <Father Phillip> sorry, ryanml -- i'm chatting with you and with Thepeug at the same time
[19/Oct/2004:22:26:15] <Father Phillip> so i put stuff up in the order that i can answer it
[19/Oct/2004:22:26:19] <Father Phillip> ryanml: ok
[19/Oct/2004:22:26:50] <Father Phillip> Thepeug, anything else? happy to go on with what we were chatting about and i'll get back to ryanml's questions in a minute or two
[19/Oct/2004:22:27:53] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: ok, thanks. i guess im just struggling a lot with the conflict between living a Christian and partying.
[19/Oct/2004:22:27:56] <Father Phillip> sure
[19/Oct/2004:22:28:03] <Father Phillip> that's a reasonable struggle in college
[19/Oct/2004:22:28:18] <Father Phillip> and it's something you'll have to face always, in one form or another
[19/Oct/2004:22:28:38] <Father Phillip> i think some of the big questions you have to try to answer include things like the following:
[19/Oct/2004:22:28:50] <Father Phillip> 1. am i hurting myself or another person?
[19/Oct/2004:22:29:11] <Father Phillip> 2. am i living up to the obligations of my state in life? (like going to class and doing homework)
[19/Oct/2004:22:29:35] <Father Phillip> 3. am i giving bad example to others who may be misled into sinful/wrong actions by imitating me?
[19/Oct/2004:22:30:15] <Father Phillip> 4. am i misusing the gifts of my sexuality? the gift of my body? the gift of my mind? etc in the way i chose to party?
[19/Oct/2004:22:30:51] <Father Phillip> 5. are the people and social circumstances with whom and in which i party, somehow leading me to a richer, fuller, more productive life?
[19/Oct/2004:22:31:08] <Father Phillip> 6. am i somehow making the world a better place by my activities?
[19/Oct/2004:22:31:33] <Father Phillip> trying to build a reasonable, just, fun, faithful life sort of centers around the answers you develope to questions like these
[19/Oct/2004:22:31:37] <Father Phillip> does that make sense?
[19/Oct/2004:22:32:23] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: yeah, that helps a lot. thanks. im still unsure, but i'll pray about it
[19/Oct/2004:22:32:32] <Father Phillip> OF COURSE YOU"RE UNSURE!!!!
[19/Oct/2004:22:32:39] <Father Phillip> you're "supposed" to be
[19/Oct/2004:22:32:41] <Father Phillip> :-)
[19/Oct/2004:22:32:45] <Father Phillip> that's what college is about
[19/Oct/2004:22:32:50] <Father Phillip> live with the questions
[19/Oct/2004:22:32:54] <Father Phillip> pray in the questions
[19/Oct/2004:22:33:05] <Father Phillip> seek input and advice
[19/Oct/2004:22:33:18] <Father Phillip> you'll find the right path -- i promise!

The Catholic Church – RCIA

[19/Oct/2004:22:34:02] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: thanks so much for the encouragement. does newman offer RCIA next semester?
[19/Oct/2004:22:34:10] <Father Phillip> RCIA is a year long process
[19/Oct/2004:22:34:20] <Father Phillip> so yes, it will be going on in the spring semester
[19/Oct/2004:22:34:34] <Father Phillip> but it really isn't the kind of thing you can just start in the middle of the year
[19/Oct/2004:22:34:38] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: i have a TON of questions, and i figure that'd be the best way to get them answered.
[19/Oct/2004:22:34:46] <Father Phillip> ryanml: be back in 2 min
[19/Oct/2004:22:34:50] <Father Phillip> ryanml: back
[19/Oct/2004:22:34:56] <Father Phillip> welcome back, ryanml
[19/Oct/2004:22:35:50] <Father Phillip> RCIA is a good way to get lots of questions answered but Christian life is in many ways a life-long process of asking questions, living in the midst of questions, getting some answers and then having MORE questions!
[19/Oct/2004:22:35:53] <Father Phillip> it's a process

Living as a Christian – Occult – New Age

[19/Oct/2004:22:36:05] <Father Phillip> ryanml: what is it that the pope is warning us about with the new age movement stuff
[19/Oct/2004:22:36:12] <Father Phillip> ok, ryanml
[19/Oct/2004:22:36:22] <Father Phillip> well, it's sort of what i was saying earlier
[19/Oct/2004:22:36:41] <Father Phillip> the new age movement is a catch-all phrase for lots of various 'spiritual' movements
[19/Oct/2004:22:37:21] <Father Phillip> while they have some things in common, they have lots of things that are different about them
[19/Oct/2004:22:37:59] <Father Phillip> and one of the main things that they share is a sort of wishy-washy belief in some kind of God but not in the God Whom Jesus revealed perfectly and completely
[19/Oct/2004:22:38:09] <Father Phillip> so the Pope warns us to stay clear of them
[19/Oct/2004:22:38:12] <Father Phillip> ryanml: i see
[19/Oct/2004:22:38:50] <Father Phillip> ryanml: i am taking this course called catholic spirituality in the modern world in january
[19/Oct/2004:22:38:53] <Father Phillip> good for you!
[19/Oct/2004:22:39:02] <Father Phillip> i'm sure that you'll learn a lot of really good stuff in it

Other Sacraments – Reconciliation – Forgotten Sins

[19/Oct/2004:22:41:21] <Father Phillip> ryanml: recently ive had few few dreams about past sins
[19/Oct/2004:22:41:27] <Father Phillip> stuff you've Confessed?
[19/Oct/2004:22:41:57] <Father Phillip> ryanml: one thing i didnt confess one i did
[19/Oct/2004:22:42:12] <Father Phillip> well, completely put the thing you did confess totally out of your mind as best you can
[19/Oct/2004:22:42:30] <Father Phillip> and the other thing, maybe you should think about mentioning it the next time you go to Confession

The Catholic Church – Living Saints

[19/Oct/2004:22:43:47] <Father Phillip> ryanml: are you familiar with any modern day mystic like people who are living saintly lives
[19/Oct/2004:22:44:35] <Father Phillip> some folks who are modern mystics and live saintly lives, i know a little bit about
[19/Oct/2004:22:45:51] <Father Phillip> ryanml: what can you tell me about them
[19/Oct/2004:22:45:55] <Father Phillip> not a lot really
[19/Oct/2004:22:46:11] <Father Phillip> just that God graces some people with the gift of mystical prayer
[19/Oct/2004:22:46:18] <Father Phillip> and the gift of living very close to God
[19/Oct/2004:22:46:48] <Father Phillip> but honestly, most any person can have those gifts if we ask for them and open ourselves to receive them
[19/Oct/2004:22:46:51] <Father Phillip> ryanml: that sounds sweet
[19/Oct/2004:22:46:56] <Father Phillip> it is sweet indeed!

The Catholic Church – Liturgical Matters – Tridentine Mass

[19/Oct/2004:22:47:01] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: Father Phil, do any churches around here offer a tridentene mass? I'd like to see what one is like
[19/Oct/2004:22:47:10] <Father Phillip> there may be one but i don't really think there is
[19/Oct/2004:22:47:22] <Father Phillip> there used to be one in Raleigh but i don't know if it's still going on
[19/Oct/2004:22:47:34] <Father Phillip> and there is one in Goldsboro i think
[19/Oct/2004:22:47:51] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: have you ever been to one?
[19/Oct/2004:22:48:18] <Father Phillip> nope
[19/Oct/2004:22:48:26] <Father Phillip> i stay kind of busy on the weekends! :-)
[19/Oct/2004:22:49:11] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: i go to the forums on catholic.com (very conservative), and a lot of people there can't stand the novus ordo. they want to latin mass to become the norm again.
[19/Oct/2004:22:49:13] <Father Phillip> yes
[19/Oct/2004:22:49:14] <Father Phillip> i know
[19/Oct/2004:22:49:22] <Father Phillip> and i don't agree with them at all
[19/Oct/2004:22:50:10] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: they're always talking about liturgical abuses in the novus ordo. what do you think? do you like one better than the other and why?
[19/Oct/2004:22:50:46] <Father Phillip> i think that the Paul VI Mass with the updates that have been mandated by John Paul II is beautiful and wonderful in every way
[19/Oct/2004:22:50:59] <Father Phillip> i can't think of anything more marvelous than celebrating that Liturgy
[19/Oct/2004:22:51:15] <Father Phillip> i feel sorry for people who can only focus on what they consider to be "abuses"
[19/Oct/2004:22:51:23] <Father Phillip> always seeing the glass as half empty
[19/Oct/2004:22:51:26] <Father Phillip> it's really sad to me
[19/Oct/2004:22:52:05] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: yeah, i like it too. it fosters a sense of community.
[19/Oct/2004:22:52:34] <Father Phillip> i suppose, but mostly it makes Christ Present in the Sacrament, in the people, in the Word, in the Minister
[19/Oct/2004:22:52:39] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: though i have to admit, gregorian chant is really cool. i wish there was some of that in the NO
[19/Oct/2004:22:53:00] <Father Phillip> there is no reason at all that Gregorian Chant can't be used in the Paul Vi mass
[19/Oct/2004:22:53:04] <Father Phillip> we've used it at Newman
[19/Oct/2004:22:53:16] <Father Phillip> that's mostly a matter of taste and liturgical sensibility
[19/Oct/2004:22:54:06] <Father Phillip> ryanml: what do you know about mozart and his involvement with the church i know he was born catholic however he turned away from it and became a freemason ive also heard one theory that close to his death he came involved with the church again and that he was poisened by anti catholics
[19/Oct/2004:22:54:26] <Father Phillip> i can't tell you one thing about any of that -- i don't know anything at all about it -- sorry!

The Catholic Church – Liturgical Matters – Practice of the Liturgy

[19/Oct/2004:22:55:38] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: what elements of the mass, in your opinion, should be unchangeable and uniform in every parish?
[19/Oct/2004:22:56:03] <Father Phillip> the unchangeable elements of the Liturgy are not matters of opinion -- mine or anybody else's
[19/Oct/2004:22:56:26] <Father Phillip> they are "givens" prescribed by the Church
[19/Oct/2004:22:56:32] <Father Phillip> Introductory Rite
[19/Oct/2004:22:56:48] <Father Phillip> Liturgy of the Word with the readings prescribed for each celebration
[19/Oct/2004:22:57:06] <Father Phillip> Liturgy of the Eucharist with one of the Prayers authorized by the Church
[19/Oct/2004:22:57:09] <Father Phillip> Sending Rite
[19/Oct/2004:22:57:23] <Father Phillip> those things aren't matters of opinion
[19/Oct/2004:22:57:35] <Father Phillip> and as far as i know, they ARE uniform in every parish
[19/Oct/2004:22:59:07] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: oh, ok. what about certain rubrics, i.e. gestures, phrases, postures, etc.
[19/Oct/2004:22:59:15] <Father Phillip> rubrics are just that: rubrics
[19/Oct/2004:22:59:57] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: changeable to suit the needs of the community?
[19/Oct/2004:23:00:02] <Father Phillip> within certain limits, yes
[19/Oct/2004:23:00:25] <Father Phillip> those limits are usually set by the national episcopal conference with the approval of the Holy See
[19/Oct/2004:23:00:48] <Father Phillip> for instance
[19/Oct/2004:23:01:17] <Father Phillip> if you go to Mass in the Vatican with the Pope presiding, the community gathered will stand throughout the Eucharistic Prayer
[19/Oct/2004:23:01:46] <Father Phillip> in most parishes in the US the community kneels during the Eucharist Prayer
[19/Oct/2004:23:01:59] <Father Phillip> neither is somehow "more Catholic" or "more right" than the other
[19/Oct/2004:23:02:15] <Father Phillip> the deeper issue is one of reverence for the Holy Eucharist
[19/Oct/2004:23:02:40] <Father Phillip> in some places kneeling is the appropriate gesture/posture for showing that reverence as a community
[19/Oct/2004:23:03:11] <Father Phillip> in other places/communities (like with the Pope presiding in the Vatican Basilica), standing si the more appropriate posture/gesture
[19/Oct/2004:23:03:34] <Father Phillip> stuff like that is not at the core of what we are called to celebrate in the Eucharist celebration
[19/Oct/2004:23:03:58] <Father Phillip> in fact
[19/Oct/2004:23:04:15] <Father Phillip> this Pope -- before he was Pope -- wrote a lot about culture as a gift from God
[19/Oct/2004:23:04:39] <Father Phillip> and that, again within limits, we need to recognize the cultural realities of different communities
[19/Oct/2004:23:05:17] <Father Phillip> that diversity does not lend itself to an "unchangeable" uniformity in every parish
[19/Oct/2004:23:05:29] <Father Phillip> to do that would be to minimize the reality of God's gift of culture
[19/Oct/2004:23:05:35] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: i agree. so ultimately, the liturgy is designed simply to foster reverence and devotion to the Real Presence?
[19/Oct/2004:23:05:57] <Father Phillip> well, at the core of the Eucharistic celebration, reverencing the Real Presence is crucial and essential
[19/Oct/2004:23:05:59] <Father Phillip> but
[19/Oct/2004:23:06:14] <Father Phillip> the Eucharistic celebration has myriad other "ends," as it were
[19/Oct/2004:23:06:24] <Father Phillip> to foster a Eucharistic community
[19/Oct/2004:23:06:32] <Father Phillip> to hear the Word
[19/Oct/2004:23:06:52] <Father Phillip> to send the community out strengthened by the Eucharist to work for justice in the world
[19/Oct/2004:23:07:01] <Father Phillip> to heal the sick in body, mind, spirit, and soul
[19/Oct/2004:23:07:08] <Father Phillip> to call the sinner to repentance
[19/Oct/2004:23:07:15] <Father Phillip> to offer forgiveness for sins
[19/Oct/2004:23:07:22] <Father Phillip> and the list goes on and on
[19/Oct/2004:23:07:49] <Father Phillip> i don't think that we can say the Liturgy is "designed simply to foster" any one thing only
[19/Oct/2004:23:08:10] <Father Phillip> the Real Presence is, as it were, the essence and apogee of our celebration
[19/Oct/2004:23:09:02] <Father Phillip> but precisely because it is the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus, our Lord, our God, our brother and our Saviour, that Real Presence calls us to so many ancillary and consequential things
[19/Oct/2004:23:09:08] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: oh ok, that makes sense. i guess should have said "primariy" instead of "simply"?
[19/Oct/2004:23:09:13] <Father Phillip> yes, something like that :-)
[19/Oct/2004:23:09:23] <Father Phillip> i tend to get carried away when i talk about the Eucharist!
[19/Oct/2004:23:09:30] <Father Phillip> (it's really important to me!)

Prayer – Ways to Pray

[19/Oct/2004:23:09:39] <Father Phillip> ryanml: what does it take to be considered a good prayer
[19/Oct/2004:23:09:48] <Father Phillip> openness to God
[19/Oct/2004:23:09:58] <Father Phillip> discipline to keep at it when it's tough to pray
[19/Oct/2004:23:10:12] <Father Phillip> being able to sit quietly before God
[19/Oct/2004:23:10:25] <Father Phillip> being willing to wait for God to reveal God's Self
[19/Oct/2004:23:10:32] <Father Phillip> studying the Sacred Scripture
[19/Oct/2004:23:10:39] <Father Phillip> learning what the Church teaches
[19/Oct/2004:23:10:54] <Father Phillip> joining the community in Liturgical prayer
[19/Oct/2004:23:11:11] <Father Phillip> enjoying the traditional forms of prayer
[19/Oct/2004:23:11:29] <Father Phillip> i'd say those things are important aspects of being a good pray-er
[19/Oct/2004:23:11:34] <Father Phillip> Thepeug: father phil, i have to go, but thanks so much for your help. have a good night!
[19/Oct/2004:23:11:37] <Father Phillip> you betcha!
[19/Oct/2004:23:11:39] <Father Phillip> cheers!
[19/Oct/2004:23:11:41] <Father Phillip> blessings!
[19/Oct/2004:23:12:33] <Father Phillip> and i'll tell you what, ryanml -- out in vancouver, it's only about 8:00 pm but here on the east coast of North America it's after 11pm and I need to get to bed
[19/Oct/2004:23:12:43] <Father Phillip> ryanml: there must be some science involved though some people are definately get into deeper mental states when praying
[19/Oct/2004:23:12:58] <Father Phillip> sure, there are scientfic aspects of prayering
[19/Oct/2004:23:13:04] <Father Phillip> but i don't know what they are really
[19/Oct/2004:23:13:33] <Father Phillip> there's a pretty cool movie on at tinseltown near chinatown called, "What the bleep do we know?"
[19/Oct/2004:23:13:42] <Father Phillip> you might want to check it out
[19/Oct/2004:23:13:49] <Father Phillip> i think you'd enjoy it
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:02] <Father Phillip> ryanml: im gonna see it
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:05] <Father Phillip> cool
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:09] <Father Phillip> lemmeno what you think
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:18] <Father Phillip> thanks for chatting with me/us tonight
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:21] <Father Phillip> take care
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:28] <Father Phillip> blessings!
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:33] <Father Phillip> ryanml: k ill let you go ill come on here next week
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:37] <Father Phillip> ryanml: ill have questions
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:42] <Father Phillip> i'm sure you will!!!!!
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:43] <Father Phillip> :-)
[19/Oct/2004:23:14:50] <Father Phillip> good night
[19/Oct/2004:23:15:01] <Father Phillip> ryanml: night

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